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Toronto’s shrinking condos

Built for families, perfect for roommates or couples without kids

Dakshana Bascaramurty – The Globe and Mail

The three-bedroom condominium Krishna KC owns on the 21st floor of 126 Simcoe Street was ostensibly built for a family. When developers tried to build the tower, they agreed to make 10% of units from floors 19 and above three-bedroom ones, a condition applied by the city in order to create new dwellings for families.

Mr. KC, a property investor, bought the unit pre-construction and rents it out – but not to whom the city had in mind. His current tenants are a trio of roommates in their early 20s with jobs in marketing and sales. They’ve turned the condo into a bachelor pad: there are two flat-screen televisions, an Alexander Keith’s chalkboard – the kind pubs use to advertise drink specials – is set up in the kitchen and bottles of gin, vodka and Gatorade are stored on every available surface.

126 Simcoe Condo
One young family was interested in the space, Mr. KC says, but couldn’t afford the $3,000 monthly rent. Others have dismissed it for its size. And therein lies the problem with three-bedroom condominiums in Toronto’s core. The city, in a mission led by former councillor Adam Vaughan (now a federal MP), believed downtown dwellers would continue living in the city’s core, rather than fleeing to its suburbs once they had children, if there were more three-bedroom condominiums on the market.

Comment: But he was so very very wrong. Many developers offered them and no one bought them. They had to redesign floors to change them to one and two bedroom condos. Mainly it was the cost, the larger 3-bedroom units were $700-800,000 – the same as many decent houses. And then they would have $800 condo fees on top of that – which houses do not have. Even for rent, families aren’t going to pay $3,000 a month when they can get a house for the same or less. Or rent in an apartment building for half that. You cannot force this to happen.

But between the high monthly carrying costs with these units and, in many cases, their poor layouts and tight quarters, three-bedroom condominiums are often winding up in the hands of property investors who have turned them into student rooming houses in the sky. Other tenants include couples who use the extra rooms as offices or young professionals who prefer to share living costs with roommates.

Of the 93 condo projects under construction in Toronto, 29 of them have three-bedroom units, according to Urbanation, a group that tracks high-rise condominium development in Toronto. A small fraction of Toronto condos have three bedrooms: A January search turned up 45 sale listings in Toronto’s core (south of Bloor between Dufferin and the Don Valley Parkway) on MLS. They range in price from $547,500 for a 742-square-foot microcondo to $7.9-million for a splashy penthouse. The median price is $959,000. Developers are reluctant to build these units because it’s hard to keep them affordable and they simply make more per square foot on smaller condos.

Comment: Never mind how many are for sale, how many have actually sold in the past 12 months? I bet those 45 have been sitting for a long time. The median is $959,000? You can get a nice house for $200-300,000 less than that, plus save $800-1,000 a month in condo fees. These big condos just don’t make sense for families.

Smart House 3 Bedroom Condo
One of Toronto realtor Eric Oickle’s clients bought a three-bedroom condominium in the Village last year and rents it to his daughter, who is attending university, and two other students. But when families seek his help in finding a new home, he directs them to houses rather than condos. He figures decent three-bedroom condominiums start at $500,000 and calculates that $800 worth of maintenance fees adds another $160,000 to the price.

“You might as well buy a $660,000 house with three bedrooms and it’s the exact same cash flow,” he said.

Comment: Exactly.

Christian McCann bought a three-bedroom condominium a few years ago at a building at Queen and Portland Streets as an investment property. His first tenants were, like Mr. KC’s tenants, a trio of young men working downtown. One of the bedrooms in the 950-square-foot unit was so tiny it could barely fit a twin-sized bed. After the trio moved out, Mr. McCann removed a wall to that bedroom to open up the space and rented it to a couple who slept in the master bedroom and used the second bedroom as an office. The former third bedroom became a dining room.

“[Developers] think of the bottom line, not the functionality, of these spaces,” Mr. McCann said.

Comment: No, not even that. They are being forced to do it by the city. And it is simply not working. Obviously.

While much of the older stock of Toronto condos from the 1980s are generous in size (two-bedroom units are often 1,200 square feet), Mr. Oickle says new two- or three-bedroom units are being built smaller with less thought given to functionality of the space.

Comment: And the old ones have $1,200 condo fees.

When Realtor David Fleming took a pair of his clients, a young couple with a child on the way, to a three-bedroom condo at Front Street West and John Street, “We were in and out of there in probably 60 seconds; it was such an awful layout,” he said. “The ‘living space’ was a living/dining/kitchen with an appliance wall. Your couch would be two feet from your stove. It was essentially like a dorm where you’d have a common space.”

The majority of such units he’s seen have been snapped up by property investors and then rented out to students, often international ones who have signed leases without viewing the space.

“I think the most likely outcome is for these to be sold from investor to investor to investor,” he said.

Comment: Proving Councillor Vaughan to be completely wrong in his drive to create these spaces that no one wants.

It’s difficult to picture the family that could live in the three-bedroom suite in Smart House. The cheapest – and smallest – three-bedroom condo on the market in downtown Toronto is in this building on Queen Street West, set to be completed in 2017. It’s 742 square feet with built-in space-saving furniture such as Murphy beds and fold-out cabinetry. That’s even smaller than the average condominium in Toronto, which is 797 square feet, according to a 2014 report from RealNet Canada, Inc.

In order to get the green light from the city to build Smart House, developers agreed to make 10% of the units in it three-bedroom ones – a condition that has been placed on many other downtown condo towers.

Comment: Which is stupid. As buyers obviously don’t want them. Families don’t want them. Forcing them to be built is stupid. Let the market dictate the need.

“I don’t think we’re achieving three-bedroom units. I think we’re achieving units where people are crammed in just because a design that should be a two-bedroom unit is being made into a three-bedroom unit,” said David Wex, a partner at Urban Capital, one of the developers.

Jennifer Keesmaat, the city’s chief planner, says a big priority for both the city and province is building more mid-rise buildings in the city, which tend to have larger units at a lower price point.

While Mr. Vaughan concedes that some units are designed better than others and families may not be occupying them now, he’s just happy that more stock is being created.

Comment: But they are not serving the need he wants them to serve.

“I have no problem with students moving in if that’s the first way to get these things on the market and occupied,” Mr. Vaughan said. “What I know is that when a family of three or four is going to start to look for accommodation in the downtown core they’re going to be able to find it.”

Comment: But they won’t want what is available. They don’t now, why will they in the future?

By the numbers

93 – Condo projects under construction

29 – Condo projects that include three bedrooms

45 – Listings for three-bedroom units in Toronto’s downtown core on

$547,500 – List price for least-expensive three-bedroom unit on

742 – Square footage of least-expensive three-bedroom unit on

875 to 925 – Fluctuating average sq. ft. of new condos built between 2005-2010

Contact Laurin Jeffrey for more information – 416-388-1960

Laurin Jeffrey is a Toronto real estate agent with Century 21 Regal Realty.
He did not write these articles, he just reproduces them here for people who
are interested in Toronto real estate. He does not work for any builders.